Re: "professional" in an IETF context

[Abdussalam Baryun <[e-mail]>]

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 4:08 PM Miles Fidelman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Abdussalam Baryun wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 11:13 PM Keith Moore <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/31/21 3:34 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>
>> > I repeat my suggestion that s/unprofessional/uncivil/ would fix the
>> > document under discussion.
>>
>> Perhaps it would.   And all other things being equal, a simpler fix is
>> attractive.  But I don't know why others seem to insist on "professional".
>>
>>
> The reason mybe that it is thought that only who authors an RFC is
> professional.
> As years while checking in IETF context, it is seen some new people IETF
> motivation can be heard that 'you should write an RFC', but maybe a better
> motivation is 'you should work/discuss with one WG together regarding one
> milestone for progress.
> If the word 'professional' makes confusion it is better to change it, or
> define it in the document.
> I totally agree with the definition give by Keith, which is in the
> beginning of thread, so please add it to the draft.
>
>
> Is that really true, though?  We certainly have a lot of protocols,
> written by amateurs - some of which have ignored RFCs and led to their own
> standards processes.  Are there not RFCs similarly written by folks with
> limited experience?  Or is it that "unprofessional" RFCs don't make it past
> the RFC editorial process?
>

It is true. We all know what we have and what we don't have, but we always
want/need better.

AB


> Miles Fidelman
>
> --
> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
> In practice, there is.  .... Yogi Berra
>
> not true,

> Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
> Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
> In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
> nothing works and no one knows why.  ... unknown
>
> not true,

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