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Re: Bruce Schneier's Proposal to dedicate November meeting to saving the Internet from the NSA

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Fri, 06 September 2013 17:25 UTC

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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> I think we all knew NSA was collecting the data.  Why didn't we do
    >> something about it sooner?  Wasn't it an emergency when the PATRIOT
    >> act was passed?  We certainly thought it was an emergency back in the
    >> days of Skipjack, but then they convinced us we'd won.  Turns out they
    >> just went around us.

    > Tell me what the IETF could be doing that it isn't already doing.

1) We could be telling the public about the protocols that we designed 10, 15,
   and even 20 years ago. Some of which even have rather widespread
   implementation, but seem to have zero use.
   (S/MIME is in every copy of Outlook and Thunderbird, AFAIK)

What would the spam situation be like if 90% of emails were regularly
signed back in 1999?  Yes, and DKIM can sign message bodies now too.
We should be telling people about it.

2) Use this stuff ourselves!!!!

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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works

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