Re: Publicly viewable video source for the Pervasive Monitoring session (Vancouver, 2013).

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 08 April 2022 20:43 UTC

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Subject: Re: Publicly viewable video source for the Pervasive Monitoring session (Vancouver, 2013).
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, yesxorno <yesxorno@protonmail.ch>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On 09-Apr-22 08:08, Stewart Bryant wrote:
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>> On 7 Apr 2022, at 17:16, yesxorno <yesxorno=40protonmail.ch@dmarc.ietf.org <mailto:yesxorno=40protonmail.ch@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
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>> Others have asked who I am.  This is not terribly relevant,
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> Hm. As the world stands at the moment there are those that I, and I am sure many others, would actively help on network security matters and those that most would think should be actively obstructed.

Outside the IETF context, I agree. But I think the IETF process needs to be strictly neutral, which it seems to me is the position established by RFC7258 anyway (plus RFC1984 and RFC2804). That neutrality doesn't constrain any individual's actions.

     Brian