Re: [Mtgvenue] Background on Singapore go/no go for IETF 100

Yoav Nir <> Thu, 26 May 2016 16:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] Background on Singapore go/no go for IETF 100
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Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 19:01:11 +0300
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On 26 May 2016, at 5:47 PM, <> <> wrote:

> He said that he doubted that there would be any problem at all in Singapore.  He also suggested that I contact the Singapore Consulate General in San Francisco.  (Which I will do once they open)
> I will ask them the following questions:
> 1.  If two gay men with a baby (or child) come in to Singapore customs together, will there be a problem?
> 2.  If two gay men with a baby (or child) walk the streets of Singapore together, will there be a problem?  Will they be harassed or arrested?
> 3. If two gay men with a baby (or child) check into a hotel in Singapore together, will there be a problem?  Will they be harassed or arrested?

“Oh, yes. We are totally going to harass visitors to our country,” said no consulate spokesperson ever. 
> 4. If two gay men with a baby (or child) need to go to a hospital or a doctor because the baby (child) is ill, will there be a problem? Will they be prevented in any way from being with the child? Will they be harassed or arrested?

The question is not whether the hospital staff will have the gay men arrested. They won’t. It’s whether the hospital staff will consider them to be actual parents. There are medical decisions only parents can make such as authorising surgery, or authorizing an epinephrine injection for a severe allergic reaction. In most jurisdictions including Singapore injecting a child with epinephrine is assault unless there is either parental consent or it’s a life-or-death situation. If the child’s parent is not there, medical staff is force to wait until it becomes a life-or-death situation. Note that even though sex between women is not criminalized, this issue affects lesbian couples just as much. Same for the secondary issue of allowing them to be in the room with the child.