Re: Thought experiment [Re: Quality of Directorate reviews]

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Thu, 07 November 2019 20:19 UTC

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Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>; wrote:
    > This is where the biggest disconnect between 2026 and reality is.   If the
    > reality is that industry is going to deploy implementations at Proposed
    > Standard or sooner (and as far as I can tell, that's been reality for as long
    > as there's been an Internet "industry"), it makes sense for IETF to recognize
    > that and react accordingly.

You are saying this as if it's a bug.
It's not!  It's by design.
We deploy at PS in order to find out if there is interoperability.

    > If we want there to be a prototype "just for testing" status, it should
    > probably be called something other than Proposed - the name has come to mean
    > something else in IETF context.   And we should deliberately change one or
    > more protocol elements to make the standard incompatible with

We do "just for testing" regularly at the internet-draft stage.


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