Re: What ASN.1 got right

Dirk-Willem van Gulik <dirkx@webweaving.org> Thu, 04 March 2021 15:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: What ASN.1 got right
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2021 16:11:18 +0100
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On 4 Mar 2021, at 15:57, Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> wrote:

> Kohnfelder was originally writing for email messaging. But even then, how do you send a mail without some connectivity?
> 
> X.509 is really optimized around the totally offline case. And that is a bad choice for many applications. But it does work for some.

Though increasingly (in Europe at least) - that off-line also is becoming increasingly useful in the on-line world; and playing a role in DPIA's and similar privacy assessment  (GDPR mandated or just as good practice).

As it allows key management, verification, etc without necessarily telling world+dog what you are doing (but for the occasional bulk down load of some CRLs).

Dw.