Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned countries
Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Wed, 03 March 2021 21:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned countries
To: Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>, "'ietf@ietf.org'" <ietf@ietf.org>
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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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In addition to the clarification that Fernando asked for, I guess I'd like to know (vaguely) whether this has been a problem in the past, maybe how many people have been turned away. I'm guessing that there are other barriers in a similar category: do we have any idea how many people haven't been able to attend meetings in person because of visa issues? And perhaps also: do we have any idea how many people have been unable to participate remotely due to internet censorship in the countries where they were located? (note: we don't need to try to address these problems at the moment, just trying to make the list of issues that limit participation reasonably complete.) On 3/3/21 4:32 PM, Fernando Gont wrote: > Folks, > > While studying the topic of diversity and inclusiveness in the IETF, > the question arouse about what are the implications of the IETF LLC > being registered in the USA. > > In particular, I'm concerned about the possible implications for > participants from USA-sanctioned countries or organizations. > > I asked a few people here and there, and was referred to this > document: > https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_LLC_OFAC_Compliance_Policy_2020-10-06.pdf > > That document contains text such as: > > ---- cut here ---- > Meeting Registrations > The current automated meeting registration system can continue, but at > regular intervals, and no later than 30 days before the meeting > begins, the list of registered participants and financial institutions > associated with payment of registration fees must be checked (both for > individual names and country of domicile and residence). > ---- cut here ---- > > and > > ---- cut here ---- > Action > The IETF Executive Director will work with IETF LLC counsel to > determine what action to take in each individual case. This may > include not pursuing the contractual relationship, revoking the > meeting registration, cancelling any existing contract or other action. > ---- cut here ---- > > > I'm certainly not a lawyer, and hence I'd like an authoritative and > clear explanation about what are the possible outcomes of this "OFAC > Compliance Policy". > > For example, could it result in participants from Cuba, Iran, Myanmar, > North Korea, Sudan or Syria being rejected their registration, and > hence being prevented to participate in IETF meetings? > > If that were the case, I'm sure that we'd all agree that that would be > inappropriate, discriminatory, oppressive, and ultimately > unacceptable. I hope that that's not even a possibility. > > Could anyone please clarify this? > > P.S.: Besides sanctions on countries such as the above, there also > seems to be a whole list of people and organizations that are > sanctioned/banned: > https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/specially-designated-nationals-and-blocked-persons-list-sdn-human-readable-lists > > Thanks,
- IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned… Fernando Gont
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: [Gendispatch] IETF LLC & IETF Participation f… Bill Woodcock
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Livingood, Jason
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Gendispatch] IETF LLC & IETF Participation f… John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] IETF LLC & IETF Participation f… Nico Williams
- Re: [admin-discuss] IETF LLC & IETF Participation… Fernando Gont
- Re: [admin-discuss] IETF LLC & IETF Participation… Keith Moore
- Re: [Gendispatch] IETF LLC & IETF Participation f… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Stewart Bryant
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Eliot Lear
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Eliot Lear
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Livingood, Jason
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… S Moonesamy
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Lars Eggert
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fred Baker
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fernando Gont
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Michael Richardson
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Christian Huitema
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fernando Gont
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Bob Hinden
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Keith Moore
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fred Baker
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Fernando Gont
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Toerless Eckert
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Toerless Eckert
- Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sancti… Khashayar Danesh