Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt> (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard
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Subject: Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt> (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard
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On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:00 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote: > The WG had a hard time coming up with really good data about what validators look for, ... If someone else with some busy nameservers wants to provide different evidence now, it wouldn't hurt. Out of morbid curiosity, I just looked at the logs from my name server (which has both TXT and SPF RRs but which is very, very far from being busy) with a quick perl hack: 2011/07/30 08:07:51 spf: 2, txt: 1, 200.000000% 2011/08/10 21:28:41 spf: 4, txt: 121, 3.305785% 2011/08/14 21:30:11 spf: 1, txt: 45, 2.222222% 2011/08/16 17:20:40 spf: 0, txt: 5, 0.000000% 2011/08/17 00:53:42 spf: 1, txt: 1, 100.000000% 2011/08/19 01:10:53 spf: 0, txt: 6, 0.000000% 2011/08/21 03:09:09 spf: 27, txt: 45, 60.000000% 2011/09/13 04:25:21 spf: 30, txt: 113, 26.548673% 2011/09/15 16:19:41 spf: 3, txt: 16, 18.750000% 2011/09/15 17:16:35 spf: 0, txt: 3, 0.000000% 2011/09/22 18:35:07 spf: 6, txt: 22, 27.272727% 2011/09/26 19:08:48 spf: 0, txt: 7, 0.000000% 2011/09/30 01:02:42 spf: 1, txt: 7, 14.285714% 2011/10/10 03:53:19 spf: 42, txt: 157, 26.751592% 2011/10/20 00:39:06 spf: 2, txt: 14, 14.285714% 2011/10/31 19:08:55 spf: 5, txt: 141, 3.546099% 2011/11/02 20:37:05 spf: 0, txt: 16, 0.000000% 2011/11/15 17:15:38 spf: 8, txt: 196, 4.081633% 2011/11/30 19:04:48 spf: 47, txt: 335, 14.029851% 2011/12/12 22:18:55 spf: 1, txt: 294, 0.340136% 2011/12/25 16:04:50 spf: 16, txt: 611, 2.618658% 2011/12/29 17:58:19 spf: 1, txt: 2, 50.000000% 2012/01/12 01:15:17 spf: 2, txt: 52, 3.846154% 2012/01/18 22:24:14 spf: 0, txt: 60, 0.000000% 2012/01/30 00:45:27 spf: 2, txt: 121, 1.652893% 2012/02/02 17:18:54 spf: 54, txt: 288, 18.750000% 2012/02/10 23:59:02 spf: 0, txt: 102, 0.000000% 2012/02/23 00:52:47 spf: 20, txt: 201, 9.950249% 2012/03/19 03:17:46 spf: 118, txt: 580, 20.344828% 2012/03/24 18:33:15 spf: 2, txt: 46, 4.347826% 2012/04/13 16:41:10 spf: 121, txt: 1743, 6.942054% 2012/05/19 18:20:14 spf: 54, txt: 631, 8.557845% 2012/06/07 13:52:26 spf: 82, txt: 961, 8.532778% 2012/07/05 02:48:39 spf: 26, txt: 339, 7.669617% 2012/07/05 18:24:30 spf: 0, txt: 4, 0.000000% 2012/07/07 19:21:02 spf: 3, txt: 25, 12.000000% 2012/07/17 14:48:32 spf: 3, txt: 156, 1.923077% 2012/08/07 18:19:36 spf: 7, txt: 269, 2.602230% 2012/08/19 04:38:08 spf: 23, txt: 198, 11.616162% 2012/08/31 21:23:20 spf: 27, txt: 190, 14.210526% 2012/10/21 07:45:13 spf: 185, txt: 1285, 14.396887% 2012/12/07 21:59:04 spf: 74, txt: 704, 10.511364% 2012/12/11 18:28:28 spf: 0, txt: 24, 0.000000% 2012/12/31 07:51:05 spf: 52, txt: 436, 11.926606% 2013/01/08 00:30:31 spf: 10, txt: 119, 8.403361% 2013/02/02 01:30:47 spf: 22, txt: 341, 6.451613% 2013/02/16 06:44:53 spf: 20, txt: 143, 13.986014% 2013/02/28 01:58:33 spf: 11, txt: 153, 7.189542% 2013/03/05 02:38:51 spf: 5, txt: 75, 6.666667% 2013/03/08 23:47:17 spf: 0, txt: 99, 0.000000% 2013/03/09 02:21:46 spf: 1, txt: 1, 100.000000% 2013/03/20 01:29:03 spf: 46, txt: 1232, 3.733766% 2013/03/24 06:22:59 spf: 15, txt: 212, 7.075472% 2013/03/26 06:03:50 spf: 0, txt: 11, 0.000000% 2013/03/31 23:17:16 spf: 8, txt: 208, 3.846154% 2013/04/06 05:19:48 spf: 37, txt: 587, 6.303237% 2013/04/07 21:53:19 spf: 1, txt: 37, 2.702703% 2013/04/16 18:50:43 spf: 13, txt: 279, 4.659498% 2013/04/22 05:52:43 spf: 3, txt: 163, 1.840491% 2013/04/29 17:56:04 spf: 14, txt: 440, 3.181818% 2013/05/22 16:26:40 spf: 20, txt: 606, 3.300330% 2013/05/23 12:08:25 spf: 1, txt: 9, 11.111111% 2013/05/23 12:30:12 spf: 0, txt: 1, 0.000000% 2013/05/28 19:14:02 spf: 21, txt: 380, 5.526316% 2013/07/01 02:29:15 spf: 51, txt: 2246, 2.270703% 2013/07/01 15:02:05 spf: 2, txt: 16, 12.500000% 2013/07/07 04:50:19 spf: 0, txt: 109, 0.000000% 2013/07/24 01:09:39 spf: 36, txt: 1395, 2.580645% totals: spf: 1389, txt: 19435, 7.146900% (the numbers are queries since the name server last restarted/dumped stats) Will look for better data than my measly little name server. Regards, -drc
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- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… John Levine
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Måns Nilsson
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Scott Kitterman
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- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Pete Resnick
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Dave Crocker
- Re: SPF TYPE support Pete Resnick
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… David Conrad
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… John Levine
- Re: SPF TYPE support S Moonesamy
- Re: [spfbis] SPF TYPE support Ted Lemon
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Mark Andrews
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Måns Nilsson
- Re: SPF TYPE support Måns Nilsson
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Mark Andrews
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… David Conrad
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… S Moonesamy
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Randy Bush
- Re: SPF TYPE support Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… David Conrad
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [spfbis] SPF TYPE support Hector Santos
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Hector Santos
- Re: [spfbis] prefixed names, was Last Call: <draf… John Levine
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Dotzero
- Re: [spfbis] prefixed names, was Last Call: <draf… Mark Andrews
- Re: [spfbis] prefixed names, was Last Call: <draf… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] SPF TYPE support S Moonesamy
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… S Moonesamy
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… David Conrad
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Måns Nilsson
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Eliot Lear
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Eliot Lear
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… manning bill
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Mark Andrews
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Jelte Jansen
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Ted Lemon
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Hector Santos
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… S Moonesamy
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] there is no transitiion, was Last Ca… John Levine
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [spfbis] there is no transitiion, was Last Ca… Ted Lemon
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Pete Resnick
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… John Leslie
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Dave Crocker
- Re: Rude responses (Was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-s… Pete Resnick
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Måns Nilsson
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Scott Kitterman
- Re: Rude responses (Was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-s… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Mark Andrews
- Re: Rude responses (Was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-s… Barry Leiba
- Re: Rude responses (Was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-s… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Mark Andrews
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- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Scott Kitterman
- Re: Rude responses (Was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-s… S Moonesamy
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… S Moonesamy
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Mark Andrews
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Hector Santos
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… David Conrad
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- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Måns Nilsson
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Jelte Jansen
- Re: Rude responses (Was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-s… Pete Resnick
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: Rude responses (Was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-s… Scott Brim
- Re: Rude responses (Was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-s… Thomas Narten
- Re: Rude responses (Was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-s… Pete Resnick
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… John Levine
- Re: Rude responses (Was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-s… Barry Leiba
- RE: Rude responses (Was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-s… l.wood
- The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude res… Dave Crocker
- RE: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude… l.wood
- RE: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude… Dave Cridland
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Jelte Jansen
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- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… John Levine
- Re: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude… Scott Brim
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… S Moonesamy
- Re: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude… Dave Crocker
- Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt> (Se… Douglas Otis
- Re: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude… Hector Santos
- Re: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude… S Moonesamy
- Re: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… S Moonesamy
- Re: Rude responses (Was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-s… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Jelte Jansen
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… John R Levine
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Jelte Jansen
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… John R Levine
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Jelte Jansen
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Jelte Jansen
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Douglas Otis
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Scott Kitterman
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Douglas Otis
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Scott Kitterman
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Douglas Otis
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Scott Kitterman
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… S Moonesamy
- Overloaded TXT harmful (was" Re: [spfbis] Last Ca… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Joe Abley
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… S Moonesamy
- Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bi… Pete Resnick
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… S Moonesamy
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Patrik Fältström
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Scott Kitterman
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Mark Andrews
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Dan Schlitt
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… John Levine
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… David Conrad
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… S Moonesamy
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… S Moonesamy
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Douglas Otis
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt>… Douglas Otis
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