Re: Explosive bolts [Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring]
Pete Resnick <presnick@qualcomm.com> Tue, 07 September 2004 14:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: Explosive bolts [Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring]
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As Brian, I will leave aside the question of whether the lawyers can make it possible for an MoU to be effective; I'm not a lawyer either. However, I think we may have different definitions of "explosive bolts": On 9/7/04 at 8:11 AM +0200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >Here's a version of what the explosive bolts could look like. > >...MOU with ICANN... > >...that MOU contains explosive bolts. So far, we haven't had to explode them. > >> 2. This MOU will remain in effect until either modified or >>cancelled by mutual consent of the Internet Engineering Task Force >>and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or >>cancelled by either party with at least six (6) months notice. This doesn't look so much to be "explosive bolts", but rather a "self-destruct mechanism"; when either side decides that they don't want to participate, the agreement blows up and any structures between the two organizations evaporate. When I talk about "explosive bolts", I mean having some way to separate the IETF administrative function housed in ISOC from ISOC. For example, let's say that scenario A or B end up having an employee of ISOC whose title is "IETF Administrative Czar", and she has 5 employees working under her (an accountant, a lawyer, a secretary, etc.). What I'd want out of an "explosive bolts" agreement is that, if one side or the other wants to pull the plug, the Czar and the 5 employees continue to act at the behest of the IETF (*not* ISOC) and there is some way to spin off a subsidiary of ISOC into a separate entity so that the IETF continues to get administrative support from these folks. Current contracts would have to continue to function, upcoming meetings would have to continue uninterrupted, and most importantly the IETF does not have to go through another administrative restructuring like we're doing now in order to have things continue to operate. Perhaps I'm more interested in the administrative function having an "escape pod", and the whole thing is attached to ISOC with explosive bolts. The key, to repeat it again, is that we don't have to go through another administrative restructuring if a future IETF or ISOC decide they can't live with each other anymore. pr -- Pete Resnick <http://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/> QUALCOMM Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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