Re: A proposal for a scientific approach to this question [was Re: I'm struggling with 2219 language again]

Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> Wed, 09 January 2013 08:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: A proposal for a scientific approach to this question [was Re: I'm struggling with 2219 language again]
From: Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com>
To: Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com>
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>might preference would be just to pick one, and
> provide a stick for hitting those who do it the other way.

I think that IESG is already using that stick :)

AB

On 1/9/13, Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com> wrote:
>
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> but the question of
>>> error in process is; does the RFC lack communication requirement with
>>> the community?
>>>
>>
>> Sorry if not clear. I mean that as some participant are requesting a
>> scientific approach to struggling with 2119 (i.e. thread-subject),
>> does that mean in some RFCs the use or not use (i.e. we see that
>> participant use different approaches to follow the 2119) that it may
>> add communication confuse with some of community?
>>
>
> I'm absolutely certain that some of our community is confused about
> something related to this thread. Given the absence of information that
> would help in a decision, might preference would be just to pick one, and
> provide a stick for hitting those who do it the other way.
>
> --
> Dean
>
>
>