Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward running code...
Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Mon, 03 December 2012 14:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward running code...
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On Dec 3, 2012, at 15:25, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote: > But code that's written as part of a rote process, just to achieve > another check-box on the shepherd writeup and justify special handling > is not likely to provide any of those benefits. +1. As somebody who tends to think about security implications, the first thing that came to my mind when reading this was how this experiment would be used to game the system. The results are so obvious I won't bother to write them down. Society has a lot of experience with cases where, what used to be useful, but gameable indicators, are turned into measuring instruments with great effect. Analogous to all these cases, I think the main effect of this proposal would be to destroy the remnant of usefulness that "running code" has in our current (living) process. Grüße, Carsten
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Idea for a process experiment to reward running c… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Dave Crocker
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Melinda Shore
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… SM
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Yoav Nir
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Dave Crocker
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Dave Crocker
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Melinda Shore
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Hector Santos
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Hector Santos
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… John C Klensin
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Elwyn Davies
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Elwyn Davies
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Dave Crocker
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Elwyn Davies
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Sam Hartman
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Jari Arkko
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Jari Arkko
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Jari Arkko
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… David Morris
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Randy Bush
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Barry Leiba
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Danny McPherson
- RE: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward runni… Stephen Farrell