Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailing Lists
Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> Mon, 14 April 2008 22:26 UTC
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On 2008-04-14 23:11 Ned Freed said the following: >> +1 to Henrik's comments. I don't think the two MUSTs >> that he comments on are algorithmically possible. > > These two MUSTs (the ability to whitelist specific posters without them having > to receive list mail and spam rejection) are both completely trivial to > implement with our software. The latter is normally done (and definitely should > be done) at the SMTP level, minimizing blowback. What you describe above is feasible and reasonable. What the posted text seems to require isn't, in my opinion. > I spend essentially no time these days with other messaging software but I'm > having a great deal of trouble believing this would be in any way difficult to > implement with something else. This is all stuff that lots of lists have done > for years - it doesn't even come close to rocket science. Humm. You're able to provide guaranteed bypass of moderation without human evaluation, and without inspecting spam? That's what my post was about, and if you can do it, I'm impressed. Henrik _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailing Li… IESG Secretary
- RE: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Daniel Brown
- RE: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Russ Housley
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Eliot Lear
- Re: [dkim unverified] Re: IESG Statement on Spam … Michael Thomas
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Frank Ellermann
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Henrik Levkowetz
- RE: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Ned Freed
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Dave Crocker
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Ned Freed
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Ned Freed
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Randy Presuhn
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Ned Freed
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… John Levine
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Ned Freed
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Rich Kulawiec
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Tim Chown
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Tom.Petch
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Tom.Petch
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… James Galvin
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… TS Glassey
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… James Galvin
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… James Galvin
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… James Galvin
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Frank Ellermann
- RE: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Cullen Jennings
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… James Galvin
- Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailin… Frank Ellermann