Re: What is "The Internet community" ? Re: Want to be on the IESG?

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Thu, 07 October 2021 20:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: What is "The Internet community" ? Re: Want to be on the IESG?
To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>, Ron Bonica <rbonica=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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On 10/7/21 4:20 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote:

> Ron/*:
>
> Which RFC defines "the common good of the Internet community" ?
>
> Q: Are private/limited-domain networks part of the "Internet community" even if those networks have
> no connectivity whatsoever to "The Internet" ?

Based on my experience, I'm starting to doubt that such networks exist 
for very long.   And for some purposes (e.g. analyzing security threats) 
it seems better to presume that they do not exist.   Everything is 
connected sooner or later.

But rather than try to decide this question, I suggest that the 
"Internet community" includes any device that speaks Internet Protocol, 
and any users of such devices.  In other words, in making protocol 
design choices, IETF should consider the entire IP ecosystem, not merely 
full-time connected devices and networks, but also isolated "private" 
networks, networks with private interconnection to other networks 
(whether or not those other networks are connected to the public 
network), intermittently-connected networks, nomadic networks, etc.

(e.g. in the IIoT world it seems to be common to assume that IP-capable 
devices will only be connected to isolated or secure networks, an 
assumption which is arguably delusional. )

Keith