Re: mail signing history, was Call for Community Feedback: Retiring IETF FTP Service

Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> Thu, 19 November 2020 23:00 UTC

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Subject: Re: mail signing history, was Call for Community Feedback: Retiring IETF FTP Service
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, ietf@ietf.org
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From: Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com>
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On 11/18/20 4:34 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>
>
> On 19/11/2020 00:31, Michael Thomas wrote:
>>>
>> Obviously I'm not vehemently against this -- people can do whatever 
>> they like with their private keys -- but it seems in order to do this 
>> properly it's a tiny bit protocol specification and a lot of bit of 
>> BCP 
>> describing the problem space of who, when, and why somebody would do this.
>
> That's fair. It'd also require a bit of analysis as to how
> published private keys could be used for attempted mischief
> as well.
>
> My take-away is I'll add doing this for some DKIM keys to
> my to-do list.
>
>
It occurs to me that it doesn't even need to be a one-size fits all 
solution for providers. All a provider would need to do is have an opt 
in for users to to use selectors who are regularly repudiated, and keep 
the current non-repudiation selectors forever.

If you were to pursue this, what venue would you use? Isn't everything 
shut down?

Mike