Re: registries and designated experts
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 13 June 2012 08:05 UTC
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John, On 2012-06-12 19:38, John C Klensin wrote: > > --On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 19:13 +0100 Brian E Carpenter > <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> The above is at odds with standardization. The last reason >>> does not apply for Expert review. >> I don't understand that statement. RFC 5226 says, in Section 2 >> about "Why Management of a Namespace May Be Necessary": >> >> " A third, and perhaps most important, consideration concerns >> potential impact on the interoperability of unreviewed >> extensions." >> >> One of the specific considerations for designated experts in >> section 3.3 is >> >> " - the extension would cause problems with existing >> deployed systems." >> >> It seems clear that interoperability is a primary concern for >> any expert review. > > Brian, Subramanian, > > I've with Barry on this. The details of the expectations of an > expert reviewer, including the thresholds for approval, should > be specified in whatever document sets up the particular > registry. One size does not fit all; "Expert Review" is a > designation of a mechanism and not a set of criteria. I completely agree. My point was only that the baseline set by RFC 5226 is clear that interoperability is a criterion. The details vary case by case and should be written down. I also agree with what I think Randy meant - the designated expert shouldn't be afraid to say no (or yes) in dubious cases; that's why we designate an expert... Brian > > We should, IMO, do two things in this area: > > (1) When a document specifies "Expert Review" for a registry, it > should be required to spell out the criteria the Expert is > supposed to use, at least to the degree that isn't obvious. If > it doesn't, that should be grounds for "DISCUSS until fixed". > > (2) If it turns out that an Expert for a particular registry is > not behaving as people expect, part of the process for getting > that fixed (or even complaining about it), should be to see if > the registry-creating documents are clear about procedures and > criteria. If they are not, an effort to update those criteria > would be a useful way to discuss the issues and not the > individual expert. Of course, Experts who knowingly violate > clear criteria should be summarily fired -- but I think we can > trust that to the IESG and note that it has almost never been > necessary. > > john > > > . >
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