Re: adapting IETF in light of github and similar tools

Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 20 April 2021 17:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: adapting IETF in light of github and similar tools
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> On Apr 20, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Larry Masinter <LMM@acm.org> wrote:
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> Does anyone think GitHub is perfect for IETF use already?

I do not. I’m not sure that a process or tool exists that can be described in those terms, including our present processes and tools.