Re: Registration details for IETF 108
Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com> Fri, 12 June 2020 23:14 UTC
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Subject: Re: Registration details for IETF 108
From: Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:14:30 -0700
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Larry, The history of the relationship between the IETF and “The Meetecho Guys” goes back a decade or more. They have been working closely with the NOC and others to tailor the system to our needs. Ole J. Jacobsen Editor & Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Cell: +1 415 370-4628 T-Mobile: +1 415 889-9821 Docomo: +81 90 3337 9311 http://protocoljournal.org Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Jun 2020, at 16:09, Larry Masinter <LMM@acm.org> wrote: > > "I believe IETF chose for good reason" doesn't sound open or transparent. > > Why don't we focus on what are the unique IETF technical requirements > that would drive a system choice? Are they listed in the > conference-tech-lab's > list of things to consider? Something that the system chosen uniquely > meets? Those considerations are important to capture, and would > then become part of the RFP. Surely if they can run a conference > using any of the listed systems, they could run one using meetecho too. > > I'd think we'd want to contract with SOMEONE to actually manage > logistics, rather than roll our own, in a hurry. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> >> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:05 PM >> To: Larry Masinter <LMM@acm.org>; 'Jay Daley' <jay@ietf.org> >> Cc: 'IETF Rinse Repeat' <ietf@ietf.org> >> Subject: RE: Registration details for IETF 108 >> >> >> >> --On Friday, June 12, 2020 13:37 -0700 Larry Masinter <LMM@acm.org> >> wrote: >> >>> ... >>> For moving IETF online, I'd suggest hiring some group that does it >>> for a living >>> >>> https://www.diplomacy.edu/conference-tech-lab >>> >>> in consultation with IETF in an open transparent manner, of course. >> >> Larry, that path leads to a rathole-rich environment with very smart and >> well-fed rats. Among other things, I note that Diplo's list does not > include >> Meetecho, which I believe IETF chose for good reasons and with the >> limitations of other systems for our purposes in mind and then, more >> important, assorted people (including Ray and the Secretariat) worked >> closely with the developers to further adapt to our needs. >> >> Moreover, unless something has changed that you or Jay know about but I >> don't, prior experience with Meetecho strongly suggests that, if we > discover >> deficiencies that we would like to have corrected before IETF 108 and give >> them reasonable notice, the chances of getting those changes made are >> quite good. >> Having tried, in non-IETF contexts, to work with the providers of three or >> four of the systems Diplo lists to get bugs or unfortunate features fixed, > a >> year or two might be plausible, but not six weeks... unless , of course, > one is >> a government making demands and/or threats. >> >> It seems to me that Jay has, to his credit even if he has not gotten it > right >> every time, been struggling to avoid such ratholes. If nothing else, even > if >> Diplo were a perfect match, there almost certainly is not enough time to >> work out a contract with them, have them understand our needs, adjust fees >> as needed, and then go into a meeting that is now only six weeks away >> without creating unacceptable risk. >> >> So, at minimum, can we postpone that particular discussion until we get >> through IETF 108 and can start assessing what we learned and what to do >> next? >> >> thanks, >> john > >
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