Re: General view of re-org proposal (was : Out-of-area ADs)
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 12 January 2015 01:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: General view of re-org proposal (was : Out-of-area ADs)
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On 12/01/2015 13:46, Jari Arkko wrote: > Andrew, > > Good points. Thanks for your mail. > > I will just briefly note that the key question is of course whether one believes areas are generally useful from the point of view of people participating in IETF work, despite the fact that they will necessarily have somewhat imprecise and soft borders. fwiw, I think the areas are very valuable as a way of organising the work. That's why I find the proposed reorg hard to grok, because putting myself in Jari's shoes, I cannot imagine how to steer the work of the steering group in future. I do earnestly suggest that the IESG's mindset should be: this is an experiment, and there will be no shame in unwinding the change in a few months or a couple of years if it fails. On the other hand, it is a very bad thing if the areas become silos and the cause of them/us thinking. So this experiment has the virtue of shaking up the silos. > > One practical value that I have found both as a participant and as a manager of IETF work, is (most of the time) finding the people who are in charge of a particular topic. For instance, if there’s a routing issue I know which ADs I can turn to :-) And they know it. And the participants know it. There are of course counterexamples, mostly relating to those soft edges. YMMV whether you believe those outweigh the clarity in other cases. Exactly - it's a tradeoff. Brian
- Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisation s… Brian E Carpenter
- Mashing areas [Re: IETF areas re-organisation ste… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Stephen Farrell
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Eliot Lear
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Nico Williams
- Re: Mashing areas [Re: IETF areas re-organisation… Ted Lemon
- Re: Mashing areas [Re: IETF areas re-organisation… John Leslie
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Nico Williams
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Nico Williams
- Re: Mashing areas [Re: IETF areas re-organisation… John C Klensin
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Jari Arkko
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Jari Arkko
- Re: Mashing areas [Re: IETF areas re-organisation… Ted Lemon
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Pete Resnick
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Dave Crocker
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Pete Resnick
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Nico Williams
- General view of re-org proposal (was : Out-of-are… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Dave Crocker
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Nico Williams
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Nico Williams
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Nico Williams
- term for 3rd RTG AD Michael Richardson
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Brian E Carpenter
- RE: term for 3rd RTG AD Adrian Farrel
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Yoav Nir
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Michael Richardson
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD John Leslie
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Brian E Carpenter
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Murray S. Kucherawy
- RE: term for 3rd RTG AD Adrian Farrel
- RE: term for 3rd RTG AD Michael StJohns
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Allison Mankin
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD joel jaeggli
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Michael Richardson
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Michael StJohns
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Michael Richardson
- IETF areas re-organisation steps IETF Chair
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Ted Hardie
- Re: General view of re-org proposal (was : Out-of… Jari Arkko
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Jari Arkko
- Re: General view of re-org proposal (was : Out-of… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Jari Arkko
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Donald Eastlake
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Phillip Hallam-Baker