Re: Further update on COVID-19 (Coronavirus) and IETF 107 Vancouver
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Wed, 26 February 2020 20:30 UTC
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{Please clean the CC list, in particular, CC ietf-announce doesn't work} Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > Keeping in mind that none of us can speak for anyone else - I can > certainly fly to Vancouver and see who else shows up to talk, and no > one is going to make any of us show up against our will... The problem that many companies have is that they can't be seen to be making anyone go there against their will. There are many subtle internal political situations which would question whether people are making their own decisions. So this is why, I think, companies are forbidding travel. That decision invokes no subtle peer pressure, removes them from liability ("The company sent me"...) etc. > I'm currently participating in an all-virtual meeting in another SDO, > and their e-mail server is running about 20 minutes behind direct mail > to participants, so nobody is quite sure what the current discussion > state is, depending on whether or not you're addressed directly in the > e-mail. hahaha. > Canceling completely now is also an excellent way to find out that we > are nowhere near able to go Plan B full-online successfully. If someone > in this thread can speak authoritatively about how well prepared we > are, I'd love to hear from them. Until we hear from them ... 1) Our problem is that meetecho requires a base to operate from. A meeting room. If we can accomodate that, then we can use it. 2) Webex officially does not support quite a number of desktop systems that are important to us (although they do work, but they don't support us). Anyway, we have no SLA with the webex "donation". Webex does not seem to have an option to force people who join to join muted, although the chair/host can mute people who can't figure it out themselves. 3) Most of the other services which do run everywhere do not support larger groups of people. {me: not crossing a border this time} -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
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