Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users

Leif Johansson <leifj@mnt.se> Wed, 16 March 2016 06:18 UTC

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16 mars 2016 kl. 04:50 skrev <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk>uk>:

>> also say yes on moral grounds as it happens, but one yes 
>> should be enough for everyone except Molly Bloom:-)
> 
> It's a little far-fetched to expect those people familiar
> with turgid, uninteresting, overlong, badly-written, misspelled
> and ungrammatical internet-drafts to also be familiar with
> Ulysses.
> Lloyd Wood lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk http://about.me/lloydwood 
> 

Its an Irish thing

> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
> To: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>om>; Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>ca>; IETF Disgust List <ietf@ietf.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 March 2016, 1:25
> Subject: Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15/03/16 14:13, Eliot Lear wrote:
>> By providing the chaff
> 
> We are not doing that. We are providing our usual web site is
> all. That we need to turn off an additional control added by
> CF is not the same as actively providing cover traffic.
> 
> 
>> we are making a moral decision to
>> help those who use Tor.  Have we done so consciously and is it the right
>> one?
> 
> I don't think we (the IETF) need to decide that. We need to
> decide to re-level the field for exit nodes so that people
> who access the IETF site via those hosts aren't discommoded.
> 
> Speaking personally, I'd answer your question with a yes, but
> not on moral grounds, rather because Tor is one of the most
> widely used privacy enhancing technologies; the IETF should
> encourage use of such so that we learn how to make privacy
> better on the Internet, so therefore we should, I think, be
> actively encouraging its use so we learn more about it. I
> don't think the IETF has established that as a consensus
> position, but nor should we have to. It's fairly obvious I
> reckon.
> 
> I'd also say yes on moral grounds as it happens, but one yes
> should be enough for everyone except Molly Bloom:-)
> 
> Cheers,
> S.
>