Re: Diversity and offensive terminology in RFCs

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Fri, 21 September 2018 16:00 UTC

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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 18:00:11 +0200
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Cc: Lloyd Wood <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk>, Mark Rousell <mark.rousell@signal100.com>, IETF Discussion Mailing List <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Diversity and offensive terminology in RFCs
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On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:44:49AM -0400, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> You should not be using MITM for any situation where a positive or even a
> neutral disposition is intended. It is unclear at best, I regard it as
> wrong.

Isn't that a matter of perspective ?
Whose declaration of disposition do you use ?  The one of the MITM ?
I can only call myself MITM if i think my intentions are evil ?

How about all those middleboxes NAT/FW whose operators want to
do something good for Alice&Bob ?

Toerless

> If I talk about an Email relay being a MITM then I am saying that changing
> my character set, wrapping lines and all the really obnoxious behavior they
> routinely engage in are attacks.
> 
> 
> Of course on the gender neutral side, MITM attacks are traditionally
> performed by Eve. And historically, many of the intercept operators on the
> allied side were women. It was one of the few field combat roles they were
> permitted.