Re: Maintenance WG: ent of Selections
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Subject: Re: Maintenance WG: ent of Selections
To: Joel Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
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On 28/01/2021 19:05, Joel Halpern wrote: > With regard to maintenance, the two areas I am most active in each have > enough maintenance that having one WG for all the maintenance (in each > area) simply would not work. IDR, LSR, and MPLS for Routing. 6man > (which is even named as a maintenance group) and DHC (and probably even > some of the others) in Internet. More generally, the work of an organisation can be divided into project and process, and the IETF is no exception. To the process category, I might add TCPM, netconf, netmod. If a prococol is successful, then, almost by definition, you need a process WG for it. You could wish for a WG Chair to cut their teeth on a project WG before moving on to the greater demands of a process one. Tom Petch > Yes, the IETF used to have a policy against long lived working groups. > We found it didn't work. > > Yours, > Joel > > On 1/28/2021 11:22 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 7:05 PM Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com >> <mailto:fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> So voila! IPv4 has existed more than ten years, so we don’t need it >> any more... Also DNS, DHCP, TCP, Ethernet, SMTP - wow, that rule >> really clears the deck. And heck - even IETF chairs produce internet >> drafts. >> >> >> Quite. This leads me to re-suggest a proposal I have made from time to >> time which is that every area have a DISPATCH working group and every >> area also have a maintenance group. >> >> This has (sorta) happened in security with LAMPS. Faced with the need >> to update cipher suites across the board, a new WG was formed which >> has been tweaking every protocol in active use not in active development. >> >> The objection generally raised is of course that this allows people to >> 'mess' with existing protocols adding features that shouldn't be >> there. But that objection presupposes that the job of the IETF is to >> control permission for permissionless innovation. >> >> One of the reasons some WGs linger is that their function requires >> continuous tweakage, GSSAPI/KITTEN being an example. Better to have >> one WG with the purpose of lingering than four lingering past their >> sell-by. >> >> > > . >
- How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Diversit… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… Michael Richardson
- Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… Keith Moore
- Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… Fred Baker
- Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… Fernando Gont
- Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… Joel Halpern
- Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… Fred Baker
- Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… Joel Halpern
- Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… tom petch
- Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… Fernando Gont
- Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… Fred Baker
- Maintenance WG: Re: How to get diversity of nomin… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Maintenance WG: Re: How to get diversity of n… Michael Richardson
- Re: Maintenance WG: ent of Selections Joel Halpern
- Re: Maintenance WG: Re: How to get diversity of n… Michael Richardson
- Re: Maintenance WG: ent of Selections tom petch
- RE: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Dive… Richard Li