Re: DNSSEC architecture vs reality

Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> Tue, 13 April 2021 00:51 UTC

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From: Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com>
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On 4/12/21 5:45 PM, Keith Moore wrote:
> On 4/12/21 8:42 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
>
>> Also, it has been years
>> since I was involved in large-scale DNS operations (and, by
>> today's standards for "large", I never have been),  but it seems
>> to me that, if a particular implementation or operational setup
>> makes it as hard to deal with a new RR type as your comment
>> above suggests, there is something seriously wrong with that
>> setup.   And I think the language in 1034/1035 is consistent
>> with that view.
>
> +1.
>
The problem is that it's not this simple. Software needs to change to 
implement new RR types which inevitably begs the question "what's in it 
for me?"

Mike