Re: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz-07
Alfred Hönes <ah@tr-sys.de> Thu, 12 February 2009 00:04 UTC
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From: Alfred Hönes <ah@tr-sys.de>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz-07
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:02:03 +0100
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At Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:20:14 -0500 (EST), Dean Anderson wrote: > ... And as > programmer and developer, I will probably have some non-patented > alternatives to present. > > --Dean Dean, that's really laudable progress, leading back to technical discussion of possible alternative solutions. Please indeed prepare such I-D as soon as feasible. I heartly invite other interested parties as well to submit their proposals to the TLS WG, and I hereby explicitely would like to address those many folks that newly started being interested in IETF work in general and further development and application of TLS in particular. In order to make life easier for all participants, I suggest to start with streamlined draft names like draft-<author>-tlz-authz-<xxx>-00 . The WG should be able to perform an unprejudized discussion of alternative proposals before it comes to determine consensus whether there is enough interest and support to warrant adopting 'TLS Authorization' as a new work item, and if so, which draft(s) to base the WG project on. I personally promise to review sound draft proposals in time before such WG decision (perhaps not initial -00 versions, only enough elaborate refined versions). One immediate question to the group and the respective author: Draft-housley-tls-authz-extns only defines a framework, and according to the past exegesis of the imprecise IPR statements under discussion, only the application of that framework to specific use cases might be encumbered by these claims. However, the recent I-D, draft-keromytis-tls-authz-keynote-01, together with a supporting sibling document, draft-keromytis-keynote-x509-01 (both still rough and lacking important details), defines a concrete instantiation of that framework. In how far is that instantiation encumbered by these IPR claims? Is it burdened with other patent claims? Kind regards, Alfred Hönes. -- +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+
- TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz-07 Eric Rescorla
- Re: TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz… Michael StJohns
- RE: TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz… Powers Chuck-RXCP20
- Re: TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz… Melinda Shore
- Re: TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz… Tim Polk
- Re: TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz… SM
- TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz-07 Eric Rescorla
- RE: TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz… Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Alfred Hönes
- Re: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Angelos D. Keromytis
- RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Melinda Shore
- RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Hannes Tschofenig
- RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Josh Howlett
- Re: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Sam Hartman
- RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Peter Sylvester
- RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Josh Howlett
- RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Josh Howlett
- RE: TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz… Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Melinda Shore
- RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Kemp, David P.
- RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Kemp, David P.
- RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Hannes Tschofenig
- RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Hannes Tschofenig
- RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls… Josh Howlett