Re: The ecosystem is moving

Dave Crocker <dcrocker@gmail.com> Fri, 13 May 2016 20:59 UTC

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On 5/13/2016 1:51 PM, John Levine wrote:
> Dunno what scale means here.


In a multi-billion-person Internet, if it isn't used by hundreds of 
millions, it isn't at scale.

There's nothing wrong with niche tools, but they are quite different 
from the tools that effectively work for everyone, everywhere.


d/
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   Dave Crocker
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