Re: List moderator action

["Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Eric,

The only censorship that I can see here is effectively self-censorship by Daniel J Bernstein.  This is a problem of his own making by putting recipients in an unnecessary and unwanted legal grey area.  I still believe that there is a trivial solution to the problem, which is for Daniel to exclude the dubious boilerplate.

Kind regards,
Rob


From: Eric Heflin <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, 28 April 2026 at 19:32
To: Chris Box <[e-mail]>
Cc: IETF Discussion List <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: List moderator action

Actions like this are killing the IETF. We should have a simple policy that any legal language in emails posted by members is to be ignored and have no effect ... and then remove censorship.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2026, 1:02 PM Chris Box <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
Everyone,

This message is to advise you that Daniel J Bernstein has been partially suspended from posting to [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> for a period of 30 days. This follows the posting of derivative rights claims [1] to the list in contravention of our previous request in [2]. The format of the notice is different to those used previously, but still seeks to apply the named restrictions "may not be modified, and derivative works of it may not be created, and it may not be published except as an Internet-Draft" to his email contribution, via the sentence "The same language hereby applies to this document." Such restrictions are considered disruptive following [3].

This suspension is implemented as a "hold for moderation". If Daniel posts a message to the list that doesn't contain the rights claim and is on topic, it should be allowed through. This may take up to two working days.

Thanks,
Chris Box on behalf of the Moderators team for [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>

[1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/145uUy-1rJ9ca8SHUDEPqxnKQ4Q/ is the most recent example.
[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/sx4j7BMLiGe_jGqpD6Kc3nvTS30/
[3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-statement-on-clarifying-derivative-works-rights/


On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 at 18:30, Chris Box <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
Everyone,

This message is to advise you that Daniel J Bernstein has been partially suspended from posting to [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> for a period of 30 days. This follows the posting of a derivative rights claim [1] to the list in contravention of our previous request in [2]. Such claims are considered disruptive following [3]. This suspension is implemented as a "hold for moderation". If Daniel posts a message to the list that doesn't contain the rights claim and is on topic, it should be allowed through. This may take up to two working days.

Thanks,
Chris Box on behalf of the Moderators team for [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>

[1] At the end of https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/PStIAGIP2gbTNUPrr3t2jUjnS6g/
[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/sx4j7BMLiGe_jGqpD6Kc3nvTS30/
[3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-statement-on-clarifying-derivative-works-rights/