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Re: BCP97bis

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Tue, 12 April 2022 13:08 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
CC: ietf <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: BCP97bis
Thread-Topic: BCP97bis
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Perhaps an AD sponsoring a BCP written by another AD is not the best way forward for something that has such a broad impact.


  *   Do you have a proposal for a venue where you feel this should be handled?  Maybe you're thinking GENDISPATCH?  I don't think this warrants its own working group, but weirder things have happened.

Yes it should go through a dispatch.


  *   I also wouldn't characterize this thread overall as "pushback", but rather a lot of background and reasonable feedback, some of which has resulted in changes to the text.  I also wouldn't say it has consensus yet, but so goes the process.

Out of curiosity, which consensus and how do you tell?

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