Re: List moderator action
Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org> Wed, 29 April 2026 01:17 UTC
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From: Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>
To: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
Subject: Re: List moderator action
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I always try and ask myself: “What is my goal” and then “is what I’m about to say/do the best way to accomplish that goal.” I don’t always get that right. This though has been painful to watch. I wish someone could help him out, apparently he has some expertise worth listening to if only he’s stick to it. Thanks, Chris. Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> writes: > Stephen Farrell wrote on 28/04/2026 22:16: >> I have some sympathy with the above. IMO we are damaging ourselves >> somewhat by reacting too harshly to DJB’s useless footer text. The >> sequence of bans on various lists looks quite silly. > > if it had just been an issue of some footer text from a random punter, I’m > pretty sure it would have been quietly ignored or written off as yet more mild > eccentricity from yet another ietf participant. The problem was that there were > legal threats in Dan’s emails, allegations of criminal activity, abusive > language directed at the ietf and its participants, unpleasant and demeaning > commentary, and a pile other unnecessary drama. I’m not much of a fan of > restricting peoples’ posting rights either, but Dan would help his own cause by > cutting out the invective and generally being a bit more circumspect about which > battles are worth fighting, and which are not. We all get up on our high horse > from time to time about something, but it’s exhausting when people get up on > their high horse about everything, all the time. > > Nick
- List moderator action Chris Box
- Re: List moderator action Chris Box
- Re: List moderator action Eric Heflin
- Re: List moderator action Brian E Carpenter
- Re: List moderator action Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: List moderator action Stephen Farrell
- Re: List moderator action Nick Hilliard
- Re: List moderator action Christian Hopps
- Re: List moderator action S Moonesamy
- Re: List moderator action Simon Josefsson
- Re: List moderator action Bron Gondwana
- Re: List moderator action Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: List moderator action S Moonesamy
- Re: List moderator action Tom Beecher
- Re: List moderator action Lars Eggert
- Re: List moderator action Chris Box
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Rob Sayre
- Re: Stream differences (Was: legal consultation) Rob Sayre
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Rob Sayre
- Re: List moderator action Rob Sayre
- Re: List moderator action Simon Josefsson
- Re: List moderator action Simon Josefsson
- Re: List moderator action Brian E Carpenter
- Re: List moderator action Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: List moderator action Rob Sayre
- Re: List moderator action Brian E Carpenter
- Re: List moderator action Simon Josefsson
- Re: List moderator action Eliot Lear
- Re: List moderator action Simon Josefsson
- Re: List moderator action Salz, Rich
- Re: List moderator action Livingood, Jason
- Re: List moderator action Rob Sayre
- Re: List moderator action Stephen Farrell
- Re: List moderator action Jay Daley
- Re: List moderator action Brian E Carpenter
- Re: List moderator action Chris Box
- Re: List moderator action Jacob Appelbaum
- Re: List moderator action S Moonesamy
- Re: List moderator action Brian E Carpenter
- Re: List moderator action Jay Daley
- Re: List moderator action Rob Sayre
- Re: List moderator action Rob Sayre
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Livingood, Jason
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Rob Sayre
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Joel Halpern
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Rob Sayre
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Simon Josefsson
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) John Levine
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Simon Josefsson
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Lars Eggert
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Scudder, John
- Re: no no derivatives, was legal consultation (wa… John Levine
- Re: no no derivatives, was legal consultation (wa… Salz, Rich
- Stream differences (Was: legal consultation) Jay Daley
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Salz, Rich
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Scott Bradner
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) John C Klensin
- Re: Stream differences (Was: legal consultation) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) John C Klensin
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Rob Sayre
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Scott O. Bradner
- Re: no no derivatives, was legal consultation (wa… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: no no derivatives, was legal consultation (wa… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: no no derivatives, was legal consultation (wa… John C Klensin
- Re: no no derivatives, was legal consultation (wa… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Rob Sayre
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Scott Bradner
- Re: no no derivatives, was legal consultation (wa… John C Klensin
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Scott Bradner
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Jacob Appelbaum
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Joel Halpern
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) John Levine
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: no no derivatives, was legal consultation (wa… S Moonesamy
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) John Levine
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Jacob Appelbaum
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) John R Levine
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) George Michaelson
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: legal consultation (was List moderator action) Rob Sayre