IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned countries

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Thu, 04 March 2021 16:21 UTC

Return-Path: <lear@cisco.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D5B3A0F0F for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 4 Mar 2021 08:21:25 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -9.601
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YGe5rH1IIL_W for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 4 Mar 2021 08:21:23 -0800 (PST)
Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A4B23A0F0A for <ietf@ietf.org>; Thu, 4 Mar 2021 08:21:22 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1653; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1614874883; x=1616084483; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc: to:references; bh=f+Iv6eNu/jTB3f8PC/Ytdl4UW0EB88GbFc/Iv+3aiTk=; b=R9+0mGbIF23yantIUQdIYC8zA+Ky3hA4/LaSCNbDq2l8IoerHVoqQ862 ZUxDOeqwce7PG39sjL8NVFLzkM+TcI4Is/yqfpRvVpoNqmMboMLDOoKiQ hwyXVW+FKUny6nHmh6CLo4TQmwBPHoGrOOOmUqDSN15vTVBRnKhnbnMRF s=;
X-Files: signature.asc : 488
X-IPAS-Result: A0D2AAB8CEFglxbLJq1iHAEBAQEBAQcBARIBAQQEAQGCD4N3AScShHKJBKUjBAcBAQEKAwEBNAQBAYRNAoF7JjgTAgMBAQEDAgMBAQEBBQEBAQIBBgQUAQEBAQEBAQGGQ4ZFBiNWEAsONAICVwaDAwGDB61zdoEyhViEexCBOIFTi3BCgguBOByCVz6HVDSCKwSBZYI8gWKdXZxTgwaDL4E8lzUDH5NVkAGyf4NzAgQGBQIWgWshgVkzGggbFWUBgj89EhkNjjiOMEADZwIGAQkBAQMJjBMBAQ
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.81,222,1610409600"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="33917430"
Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA; 04 Mar 2021 16:21:18 +0000
Received: from [10.61.144.38] ([10.61.144.38]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 124GKXb0011408 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Mar 2021 16:21:18 GMT
From: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
Message-Id: <4FCD1F07-6DE9-402F-AFD3-A3C42F3D0ACF@cisco.com>
Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0A104AB5-B878-4406-B31D-06376EBF94BF"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha256"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\))
Subject: Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned countries
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2021 17:21:17 +0100
In-Reply-To: <20210304155203.n5cfd3kmu2fpgdrt@crankycanuck.ca>
Cc: The IETF List <ietf@ietf.org>
To: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>
References: <4619acc8-1ed4-52e8-849b-bfda9de61bb0@gont.com.ar> <20210303221433.ufsitioimata4dtg@crankycanuck.ca> <4739AA0B-95BA-48C8-A17D-730EAF547F55@gmail.com> <20210304155203.n5cfd3kmu2fpgdrt@crankycanuck.ca>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21)
X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.61.144.38, [10.61.144.38]
X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-4.cisco.com
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/bjiMMiMWf47P9UjTORSQxVO1_GM>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2021 16:21:25 -0000

I agree with Andrew that I think we’ve gone off track.  The participation element is what is at issue, and when it comes to sanctions, it’s not just a matter of where an organization is homed.  That is a very small matter in comparison to- the participants from various countries and what restrictions they would be under (regardless of where an organization is homed), travel restrictions to and from various countries (again, regardless of where an organization is homed).

I’m sure the LLC and Andrew could tell us where being homed does play a role, such as perhaps with fellowships, etc; and that might require some thought.

Eliot

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email