Re: Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Sat, 11 August 2012 15:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm
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On Aug 11, 2012, at 16:41, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:

> consensus-oriented process

Sometimes, though, you have to act.

While a consensus-oriented process*) document could certainly be used to improve (or deteriorate) the document by a couple more epsilons, I agree with Randy Bush: Signing it now is a no-brainer.

Grüße, Carsten

*) Well there was a call for comments, and it already supplied the first such set of epsilons.  
That may have to do when time is of the essence.

(That's also what you choose your leadership for.  
If we don't like the outcome, we can always decide not to re-elect Russ :-)