Re: The Next Generation
Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Thu, 12 September 2019 14:35 UTC
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From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:35:08 -0400
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Subject: Re: The Next Generation
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Cc: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>, IETF Discussion Mailing List <ietf@ietf.org>
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I have been concerned about this for a while. I was one of the youngest people engaged in IETF when I started 25 years ago and if you set aside the grad students who participate while they are doing their thesis, I am still one of the younger participants. If you look at average age, it is misleading because the younger folk don't tend to stick around. And that is probably due in large part to the dynamics of our industry which has an even bigger demographic issue that will probably not be acknowledged until the growth suddenly halts as Moore's law is repealed and all the youngsters go into biotechnology. I do have a recruitment plan. I see a vast untapped desire for an open end-to-end secure federated messaging service with Data at Rest security. There are proprietary schemes in that space (Signal, Telegram, AIP) but they are all limited in scope because they don't support open services and so it is impossible for two enterprises to connect unless they choose a single supplier. There is a community that is very interested in deploying this technology to secure the communications infrastructures of political campaigns and I have begun making contacts in that regard. Some of you will remember I used the same strategy to promote the Web over rival network hypertext schemes in the early 90s. So here is the curious thing, each one of the groups contacted so far has had the same response: This is something we should do but we should make our rivals aware of it as well because the end goal here is protecting the democratic process, not just winning an election.
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- Re: The Next Generation Rob Sayre
- Re: The Next Generation Kyle Rose
- Re: The Next Generation Melinda Shore
- Re: The Next Generation Keith Moore
- Re: The Next Generation Jared Mauch
- Re: The Next Generation Dan Harkins
- Re: The Next Generation Rob Sayre
- Re: The Next Generation John C Klensin
- Re: The Next Generation Michael StJohns
- Re: The Next Generation Alissa Cooper
- Re: The Next Generation Kyle Rose
- Re: The Next Generation Rob Sayre
- Re: The Next Generation lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk
- Re: The Next Generation Keith Moore
- Re: The Next Generation Leif Johansson
- Re: The Next Generation George Michaelson
- Re: The Next Generation Masataka Ohta
- Re: The Next Generation Keith Moore
- RE: The Next Generation Michel Py
- Re: The Next Generation Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: The Next Generation Keith Moore
- Re: The Next Generation John C Klensin
- Re: The Next Generation Keith Moore
- Re: The Next Generation John C Klensin
- Re: The Next Generation S Moonesamy
- Re: The Next Generation Nico Williams
- Re: The Next Generation Warren Kumari
- Re: The Next Generation Rob Sayre
- Re: The Next Generation S Moonesamy
- Re: The Next Generation Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: The Next Generation shogunx
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- Re: Voting Security (was: The Next Genaration) Joe Abley
- Re: The Next Generation Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Voting Security (was: The Next Genaration) Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: Voting Security (was: The Next Genaration) shogunx
- Re: Voting Security (was: The Next Genaration) Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: Voting Security (was: The Next Genaration) Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: Voting Security (was: The Next Genaration) Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: Voting Security (was: The Next Genaration) Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: Voting Security (was: The Next Genaration) Salz, Rich
- Re: Voting Security Keith Moore
- Re: Voting Security shogunx
- Re: Voting Security (was: The Next Genaration) Eric Rescorla
- Re: Voting Security Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Voting Security shogunx
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