Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt
Mary B <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com> Wed, 27 October 2021 21:58 UTC
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 16:57:52 -0500
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Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt
To: "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <Glenn.Deen@nbcuni.com>
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On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 4:25 PM Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) < Glenn.Deen@nbcuni.com> wrote: > > > On 10/26/21, 1:22 PM, "ietf on behalf of Mary B" <ietf-bounces@ietf.org > on behalf of mary.h.barnes@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Exactly. The Nomcom can't make good decisions unless we get good > feedback from the community and in my experience a small percentage of the > community provides feedback. We've had many discussions as to how this > list doesn't necessarily reflect overall community consensus, so Nomcom > should not be expected to consider this as input to the process (IMHO). > > > > My personal opinion (Nomcom voting member hat off) is that If we actually > had lots of volunteers for these positions, then I'd absolutely support the > notion of ensuring folks didn't move from IESG to IAB (which is the most > common path I think) and so forth. However, we don't have sufficient > resources in the community that are willing and able to serve in these > roles as is IMHO. This will only make that problem worse. And, > personally, I think we had two great IETF chairs that each served 3 > terms. So, it's not clear to me we're solving a real problem with these > proposals. > > > > On the IESG->IAB path, I’ll offer the observation that it has been such a > common migration path that many in the community may actually have come to > believe that it’s how one qualifies for the IAB, as if the IAB were in > effect the IESG Emeritus. I know that is not the case but that doesn’t > mean people don’t perceive it that way. > [MB] So, current IAB is 25% ex-IESG and I did a rough count of IAB members over the past 20 years and it's been about 30% overall. And, that number would be a smaller fraction of the overall number of folks that have been ADs. [/MB] > > > It’s not unlikely that we’ve lost many good prospective IAB candidates to > self-pruning because they have observed the IESG->IAB flow and believe that > it’s a requirement and they don’t meet it since they haven’t been an AD. > [MB] We don't have all the past list of nominees to see how many have been ex-ADs over time, but you can look at this year's list and see that only 3 of the 14 nominees are ex-ADs. And, we'd love to get feedback on these nominees ;) https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2021/feedback/ [/MB] > -glenn >
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- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Mary B
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
- Re: I-D Action: draft-rsalz-termlimits-00.txt Mary B
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