Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps]
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sun, 28 December 2014 19:09 UTC
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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:09:28 +1300
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On 29/12/2014 07:33, Dave Crocker wrote: ... >> However, we have not found that ADs are so specialized that there >> is a "correct" AD for every WG, > > raises the possibility that AD job descriptions ought to make > explicit reference to cross-area skills? This, of course, leads to > the challenge of figuring out what that means, in pragmatic terms. This ties back into Nico's point about maybe flattening the hierarchy (*) and essentially abolishing areas as such. I have much sympathy with that, although it's a bit scary. But it means that we would indeed change the criteria for picking ADs. We wouldn't be looking for, say, a Transport AD who is a widely recognised expert on congestion control, or a Security AD who is competent to verify a crypto algorithm. In fact, over-specialisation would be a *disqualification* for serving on the IESG. Serving as a Gen-ART reviewer has been a great experience for me, but has often forced me out of my technical comfort zone. It would be the same for the IESG in such a new order. They would have to depend more than today on expert reviewers. (*) I have just read "The Innovators" by Walter Isaacson, which I highly recommend as history of our corner of the world. He makes the point that successful innovation in our technology has mainly taken place in flattened hierarchies, or despite the hierarchy. The IETF is mentioned a couple of times in the book, along with names like Cerf, Kahn, Berners-Lee and Crocker (the other one). Regards Brian
- Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisation s… Brian E Carpenter
- Mashing areas [Re: IETF areas re-organisation ste… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Stephen Farrell
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Eliot Lear
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Nico Williams
- Re: Mashing areas [Re: IETF areas re-organisation… Ted Lemon
- Re: Mashing areas [Re: IETF areas re-organisation… John Leslie
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Nico Williams
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Nico Williams
- Re: Mashing areas [Re: IETF areas re-organisation… John C Klensin
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Jari Arkko
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Jari Arkko
- Re: Mashing areas [Re: IETF areas re-organisation… Ted Lemon
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Pete Resnick
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Dave Crocker
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Pete Resnick
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Nico Williams
- General view of re-org proposal (was : Out-of-are… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Dave Crocker
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Nico Williams
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Nico Williams
- Re: Out-of-area ADs [Re: IETF areas re-organisati… Nico Williams
- term for 3rd RTG AD Michael Richardson
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Brian E Carpenter
- RE: term for 3rd RTG AD Adrian Farrel
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Yoav Nir
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Michael Richardson
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD John Leslie
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Brian E Carpenter
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Murray S. Kucherawy
- RE: term for 3rd RTG AD Adrian Farrel
- RE: term for 3rd RTG AD Michael StJohns
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Allison Mankin
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD joel jaeggli
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Michael Richardson
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Michael StJohns
- Re: term for 3rd RTG AD Michael Richardson
- IETF areas re-organisation steps IETF Chair
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Ted Hardie
- Re: General view of re-org proposal (was : Out-of… Jari Arkko
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Jari Arkko
- Re: General view of re-org proposal (was : Out-of… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Jari Arkko
- Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps Donald Eastlake