Re: Reminder: Poll about restructuring options
Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Wed, 29 September 2004 23:14 UTC
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:28:00 +0200
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
To: Dave Crocker <dhc2@dcrocker.net>, ietf@ietf.org
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Sigh, Dave.
> It is very unlikely that there is any language on this planet
> that would equate ""No, I do not wish to state an opinion" with
> "I wish to state an opinion but you have no provided a category
> that covers my opinion".
What about English?
If I ask you "do you prefer A or B", and you say "I don't wish to say
whether I prefer A or B, because you have not provided a category that
covers my opinion", in what way have you said something where "I do not
wish to state an opinion" is an inappropriate description?
I could have written the option in the poll as "I do not wish to state an
opinion on whether I prefer Scenario C or Scenario O", but I thought this
was so obvious from context that I did not.
--On 28. september 2004 09:41 -0700 Dave Crocker <dhc2@dcrocker.net> wrote:
>> Your particular reasons for not wanting to state an opinion
>> are your own, and well known to the IETF list.
>
> Let's skip over just how remarkably inappropriate and
> unprofessional it is for the IETF Chair to make an ad hominem
> comment like this.
> Let's just consider the likelihood that you have no idea what my
> reasons are. However you appear to be certain you do, so please
> educate me and everyone else about my reasons. Since you chose
> to make this exchange personal, let's at least deal with things
> explicitly and openly.
I did not state what I intended to say in an unambiguous manner.
Based on your previous postings to the list, I thought your reasons were
those you stated in your messages to the list on September 12 - that you
thought that what we are doing with reorganization is wildly inappropriate,
and we should do things in a completely different way; I saw no reason to
search further than that.
If you have other reasons for not wanting to say whether you prefer
Scenario O to Scenario C or the other way around, and have not shared those
with the list - they are not well known either to the list or to me.
Harald
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