Re: IETF Culture was: Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.txt)
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Subject: Re: IETF Culture was: Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Action: draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.txt)
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Mike, >I'm going to go off on a tangent. This is only peripherally related to >the other topic. >One of the other things that comes up with the IETF from time to time is >how to make the IETF more open and welcoming to newcomers. The IETF has >a *lot* of unwritten rules - perhaps more than most organizations. >*IMHO*, that may make it more difficult for newcomers to figure out how >things work and where they can push or pull to effect change - there's a >lot of anecdotal evidence that this may be the case. I would also tend >to believe that written rules with plain meanings (that are mostly >followed) tend to level the playing field for those just joining. >(A quick google search - "written vs unwritten rules newcomers" finds >http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/battah-workplace-rules-1.3274856 >for example - there are a lot of others in this space) >So I'm not so sure that the above is a universal truth. Both you and >Andrew (and me FWIW) are long term participants and tend to know where >the levers are. I wonder if those just joining us would agree? The question of "unwritten rules" comes up in the mentoring program quite a bit, so I wrote the following: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-elkins-ietf-unwritten-rules-values/ Would love to have your comments, Nalini Elkins IETF Mentoring Program
- draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Action… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Michael StJohns
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Michael StJohns
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Russ Housley
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Jari Arkko
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Michael StJohns
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Michael StJohns
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Michael StJohns
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Michael StJohns
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Randy Bush
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Andrew Sullivan
- IETF Culture was: Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-0… Michael StJohns
- Re: IETF Culture was: Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-memb… nalini.elkins
- Re: IETF Culture was: Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-memb… Randy Bush
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… joel jaeggli
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 (was: Re: I-D Ac… Jari Arkko
- Re: draft-klensin-iaoc-member-01 Brian E Carpenter