Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in Bangkok
"Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com> Wed, 16 May 2018 21:20 UTC
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From: "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 17:20:18 -0400
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Subject: Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in Bangkok
To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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As always, anyone that wants to have a meeting not covered by the Note Well can use a private meeting room or other space (such as a restaurant) not being provided by the IETF. IMHO, any meeting or discussion in a space being provided by the IETF, such as the IETF lounge or a session room, is covered by the Note Well. Cheers, Andy On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 5:07 PM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote: > It seems clear to me that if you don't meet in a meeting that is > officially part of the IETF, then you aren't under the note well. So if > you meet Phillip in the airport, no Note Well. On the other hand, > informal sessions on Friday can be covered by the Note Well if they are > announced as such, to as great an extent as any other meeting can. IANAL, > of course, but this seems straightforward. > > I've found Hackathons to be valuable, and the fact that they precede the > IETF is very good. I agree with you that earlier "informal" discussions > are more important than later ones. Having those covered under the note > well when desired would also be good—I don't think that a conversation in > the hallway is covered under the note well. Like you I would be curious > to know if the IETF lawyer has an opinion on this. > > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 5:01 PM, Brian E Carpenter < > brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 17/05/2018 00:29, Stewart Bryant wrote: >> >> > I am probably alone in thinking that the Hackathon is suplimentary to >> > the main purpose of the meeting, >> >> True, but very valuable if we're serious about "running code". >> >> > and thus don't much care when they are >> >> I do. If the hackathon is held before the relevant WG session, the >> WG can get hot feedback on whether the latest spec is actually >> implementable and whether any interop problems point to ambiguous >> text. Also, minor fixes can be made and tested in odd moments >> later in the week. >> >> > held, but perhaps we could move them to the Friday/Saturday after the >> > standards sessions so people fatigued for the WG sessions. Those slots >> > could then double as a sort of forml-informal time for extended WG >> > discussions. >> >> Why do we assume informal sessions are more valuable at the end of >> the week? I've often found it annoying to have a Monday WG session, >> because of the need for informal discussions *before* the meeting >> itself. >> >> On 17/05/2018 07:04, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >> .....> It is quite important to continue the official meeting through >> Friday >> > however because if I am going to have discussions, I want them to be >> under >> > Note Well. >> >> I would like legal advice about that. What do we have to do to >> be sure whether an informal, unscheduled meeting is part of the >> IETF meeting or not? >> >> I'm fairly sure that if I bump into Phill in the departure lounge >> at Bangkok airport, it's not the IETF. But if I meet with him and >> a few other participants in the venue at 11 a.m. on the Friday? >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8179#section-1 doesn't really >> seem to answer this: >> "Statements made outside of an IETF session, mailing list, or other >> function, or that are clearly not intended to be input to an IETF >> activity, group, or function, are not Contributions in the context >> of this document." >> Is an informal, unscheduled discussion on Friday morning "an IETF >> activity, group, or function"? >> >> Brian >> >> >
- Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in Ban… IETF Chair
- RE: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Linda Dunbar
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Paul Wouters
- RE: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… John C Klensin
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Jared Mauch
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Loa Andersson
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… John C Klensin
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Adam Roach
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Adam Roach
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Ted Lemon
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Wes Hardaker
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Michael Richardson
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Andrew G. Malis
- RE: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Christer Holmberg
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Michael Richardson
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… John C Klensin
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Ted Hardie
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Alissa Cooper
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Ted Lemon
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… John C Klensin
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… George Michaelson
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Michael Richardson
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Warren Kumari
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… János Farkas
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Michael Richardson
- RE: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Janos Farkas
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Michael Richardson
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Daniel Harkins
- 答复: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical &Microwave Technology Research Dept)