IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: Is traffic analysis really a target (was Re: [saag] Is opportunistic unauthenticated encryption a waste of time?)

Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 25 August 2014 07:19 UTC

Return-Path: <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CFC1A8AAD; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 00:19:59 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.999
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5ELQZd2FwCLA; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 00:19:57 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-ie0-x233.google.com (mail-ie0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3A271A8AB7; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 00:19:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id rl12so9006934iec.24 for <multiple recipients>; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 00:19:56 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=eTPLsdf17PJxKC2Pj7FB687Mbge5imOo44hbAj6NAO4=; b=x7neNK4jEMVMeVufLGzYyNl5kC14pTzgzjQ8i81/oHlPDOONBmdn1HU20m18Vo00Cn igVnGJkpDCcg9rA4s8HRsmzJloESeIRvRiUU/hOdtIEZNxZWEW5H4kIe/ZRmsKxmH7gG CJ5Aee5vGDa1n4rGawwlG3SGqd1eG1d5wxxmLp13MB/LW5LuXD+GaIe0EnDFhPB/iZ90 SzTebuoMU9epIvpJbRRC5KSGbZ3CNt+GiJ+kJWbILtkvdcfrtIAeKlaVHRUkUOldA7dL Fhc+cY2y15YpYX0HIt/d3eF8jLJb2hLLIcFfbD93NYN7M7UguJc7m2Eldz9Kw5gvmT5z yZJw==
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.50.111.112 with SMTP id ih16mr13651095igb.30.1408951196313; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 00:19:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.43.154.80 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 00:19:56 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <53FA44AF.4070504@gmail.com>
References: <53F548E5.2070208@cs.tcd.ie> <53F54F1C.1060405@dcrocker.net> <53F5D303.1090400@cs.tcd.ie> <CAMm+LwhmJpnU8E9ifA47baneGB=qjHzU_cy+wepPYLXrOhB+Pg@mail.gmail.com> <20140821160402.GT14392@mournblade.imrryr.org> <f5d8b5dc37b84f709c8f2df7c7a69daf@AMSPR06MB439.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> <CAK3OfOgZzoXVnrE8Nbs6mwN2xD_snbzH9jT8TsYOVt8UASahYQ@mail.gmail.com> <a354d63505924d76a15b505e60e27a16@AMSPR06MB439.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> <20140822140000.GE14392@mournblade.imrryr.org> <BLU181-W84354FE6BEF12305A2A7DB93D10@phx.gbl> <20140823040550.GQ5909@localhost> <BLU181-W307B52819C577693183E2D93D10@phx.gbl> <53F8FA97.2020607@cs.tcd.ie> <BLU181-W664365D566637BE6D0E67493D10@phx.gbl> <53F908A1.6040207@cs.tcd.ie> <8BBAE4BE-F816-4170-9533-6400ACE463EA@cs.georgetown.edu> <6461D9C5-8B0B-42D3-9877-32DB3E6150C6@standardstrack.com> <20140824190636.5BD1C1A0686@ietfa.amsl.com> <53FA44AF.4070504@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 00:19:56 -0700
Message-ID: <CA+9kkMAqesyTDzXBLe=Pp7z=X4hOpq6pF9qei=cDEbyaL-_A1A@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Is traffic analysis really a target (was Re: [saag] Is opportunistic unauthenticated encryption a waste of time?)
From: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e0149be408fefab05016f030a"
Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/d5j-GR4ganmullsd-GGXxUr5PvI
Cc: "saag@ietf.org" <saag@ietf.org>, Eric Burger <eburger@standardstrack.com>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 07:19:59 -0000

On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Brian E Carpenter <
brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> RFC3205 (BCP56) said some of it a bit earlier, and was ignored. I'd say
> that
> RFC3639 was ignored too. For a practical lesson on the same topic, I
> suggest
> a critical study of all the RTCWEB drafts and of draft-ietf-dart-dscp-rtp.
> I think they show the depth of the hole we are in.
>
>    Brian
>
>
​Just so I don't rudely put words in your mouth, I'd appreciate your
unpacking what you practical lesson you anticipate learning there.

regards,

Ted​

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email