Re: Registration details for IETF 108

Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> Thu, 04 June 2020 13:25 UTC

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Subject: Re: Registration details for IETF 108
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Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote on 02/06/2020 17:03:
> The brute facts we face are that international travel is certain to be 
> infeasible for the remainder of the year and quite likely for some time 
> beyond, that the IETF business model is predicated on income from 
> in-person meetings that can't now take place and this leaves few options 
> on the table.

there are a lot of ways of looking at this, but there is a human 
interaction issue here.  No-one denies the realities of international 
travel or the obligation of the LLC to implement realistic financial 
policies for the company. In an ecosystem like the ietf, if the decision 
had been handled as soliciting input + getting buy-in, and not as a 
unilateral imposition, I suspect peoples' hackles wouldn't have been 
raised nearly as much.  Downstream, it would have made discussion about 
meetings after 108 much easier.

It's easy to be wise after the fact and also when you're not in the hot 
seat.

My point was simply that we need to approach post-IETF108 meeting 
charges without prejudice to the IETF108 decision, and hopefully also 
learn from it.

Nick