RE: RFC 7168 on The Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol for Tea Efflux Appliances (HTCPCP-TEA)

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Subject: RE: RFC 7168 on The Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol for Tea Efflux Appliances (HTCPCP-TEA)
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Look, if the water is not boiling, it may contain more bacteria,
with adverse effects on health. Boiling water properly
is most likely to kill that bacteria and prevent infection.

Boiling the water is best practice, and you should use that
best practice even though you clearly don't understand why.
Trust us, you'll come to love it. It's for your own good.

This is clearly another security threat to be prevented, and
the IETF's core work and primary focus is on mitigating
security threats that the IETF created in the first place.

Boiling could have been mentioned in the security considerations
section. I see there's no mention of TLS or SHA or authenticating
commands either - so the IETF needs to set up a security group to
fix and properly secure HTCPCP-TEA immediately.
Documenting how everyone must always make tea will also be
a useful outcome of this group.

get to it, Stephen!

Lloyd Wood
http://about.me/lloydwood
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From: ietf [ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randall Gellens [randy@qti.qualcomm.com]
Sent: 04 April 2014 00:29
To: Elwyn Davies; Andrew G. Malis
Cc: IETF Discussion
Subject: Re: RFC 7168 on The Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol for Tea  Efflux Appliances (HTCPCP-TEA)

At 12:37 AM +0100 4/2/14, Elwyn Davies wrote:

>  We also need the internationalized version to cater for all those
>  excellent varieties of China Tea.  A nice drop of pu-erh perhaps?

I stopped reading when I saw that there was no provision for handling
more delicate teas, just as Japanese sencha or gyokuro, which require
significantly cooler water and shorter brewing times.  I'm not sure
I'd characterize this as a question of internationalization, since it
involves fundamental protocol elements and operation rather than user
display text.

--
Randall Gellens
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