Re: [rfc-i] IAB Seeks Feedback on Independent Submissions Editor

Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com> Thu, 12 September 2019 21:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] IAB Seeks Feedback on Independent Submissions Editor
To: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
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From: Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com>
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On 9/12/2019 3:47 PM, Ted Hardie wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:07 PM Michael StJohns 
> <msj@nthpermutation.com <mailto:msj@nthpermutation.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi -
>
>     It seems like a singularly bad idea to be doing this review at this
>     time, given all the uncertainty with the RSE and the upcoming RPC
>     contract re-let.   I went looking for some mention of a term for
>     the ISE
>     in the various documents (RFC's 6635, 6548 and 4846) and didn't see
>     anything that said more than the IAB appointed the ISE - e.g. nothing
>     that would indicate this needs to be done *right now*.
>
>
> If you review the announcement made in October of 2017, you'll see this:
>
> "The Internet Architecture Board is pleased to announce the 
> appointment of Adrian Farrel as Independent Submission Editor (ISE). 
> This appointment is for a two-year term, beginning on February 15th, 
> 2018."
>
> Since his term was going to end between IETF 106 and IETF 107, we are 
> asking for input on a re-appointment.  You'll see that the IAB of the 
> time did similar calls for comment during Nevil's term(s).

I went and reviewed the various emails since Nevil's original 
appointment, and what I realized was that his "term" was directly 
related to his contract to perform the ISE work. He had some sort of MOU 
starting 10 Feb 2010.  The 2/6/12 announcement of his reappointment has 
him with a 3 year contract term beginning around 15 Feb 2012.  He got 2 
extensions of 2 years and 1 year (the 2 year extension was granted 
nearly 4 months in advance), all with end/start date of 14/15 Feb.

Adrian got the appointment on 18 Oct 2017 for a 15 Feb 2018 start, but 
AFAIK, he's not on contract for a specific term.  (Feel free to correct 
me on that - I can't actually find anything that points one way or the 
other).   While you're correct that the appointment message said "2 year 
term", there's no actual underlying document (e.g. contract or RFC) that 
requires such a term.

It seems to me that selecting an arbitrary date for a review might be a 
useful approach in normal times, but now - not so much.  I think that 
date has been overtaken by events, and the IAB should - in consultation 
with Adrian of course - set a review date and term expiration date a bit 
further in the future, either changing that date now, or agreeing to 
defer setting a date until the RSE discussion is a bit more settled.

I believe it is in no one's interest to have the RSE and ISE positions 
both up for grabs at the same time.  If there's some underlying reason 
that can't be waived (e.g. contract), then let the community know what 
your firm constraints are.

Mike


>
>
>     Can I suggest we defer this to after the RSE process has made forward
>     progress - perhaps until say after the March meeting? Unless of
>     course Adrian has asked to be replaced?
>
>
> I'm happy to report that Adrian did not indicate a need to step down.  
> (That's why this is a call for comments, not a call for candidates).
>
> I take it your feedback to the IAB is that making a change here is 
> ill-timed.  Thanks for that feedback.  If you have direct feedback on 
> Adrian's work, we will be happy to receive that as well, in the 
> channels previously named.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ted
>
>     Later, Mike
>
>
>     On 9/10/2019 3:18 PM, IAB Executive Administrative Manager wrote:
>     > As part of its oversight responsibility for the Independent
>     Stream, the
>     > IAB is soliciting comments from the community on the performance
>     of the
>     > Independent Submissions Editor, Adrian Farrel. The IAB is
>     interested in
>     > comments on the last two years of operation of the Independent
>     Stream
>     > and Adrian's activities as ISE.
>     >
>     > Please send comments to iab-chair@ab.org
>     <mailto:iab-chair@ab.org>. In addition, please CC
>     > execd@iab.org <mailto:execd@iab.org>.
>     >
>     > The IAB would appreciate receiving comments by Tuesday, 2019-10-08.
>     >
>     > Best regards,
>     > Cindy Morgan
>     > IAB Executive Administrative Manager
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