Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's
S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Sun, 18 May 2014 18:14 UTC
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Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 01:14:30 -0700
To: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
From: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
Subject: Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's
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Hi Phillip, At 10:04 17-05-2014, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >Yet more special pleading. [snip] >A legitimate argument against DMARC would be 'Here is a research study >based on empirical evidence that shows DMARC does not help'', it might >not be persuasive but it would be a valid argument to have. I am Yes. >I find the arguments that IETF should ignore the impact of DMARC >unpersuasive. We have changed email repeatedly in response to non >standards compliant actions taken by the spam senders. So there is a >precedent for responding to malicious actions, why would we treat >non-malicious actions differently? The significant change I can think of is the MSA/MTA split. That was in 1998. There is a specification violation in response to a DMARC policy as implementers do have to decide whether to provide a fix or ignore the issue. There are also operational issues, e.g. http://www.it.cornell.edu/services/guides/email/issues.cfm Should the IETF ignore the impact of all this? Frankly, I don't know. It is a significant amount of work to assess how much of a problem this is. Regards, S. Moonesamy
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- Re: Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world … S Moonesamy
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