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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:32:36 +0900
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Subject: Re: IETF network incremental plan
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
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At present android apps running on chromebooks do not work over nat64.
  I believe one of our colleagues at Google has filed a bug report on
this, so hopefully it will no longer be an issue in Chicago.

OpenVPN works with nat64, but requires special configuration file
hacking in some cases.

I have no other issues with it.   If it weren't for the fact that my
xmpp app is an Android app, I would be using ietf-nat64 exclusively.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> last evening i was carrying a question from the noc team but my position
> in the mic queue was preempted by more important people.
>
> but essentially, before we make tactical decisions we would like to know
> what the purpose and goal of the meeting network is.
>
>   o folk just want to get work done, and the net should bloody well work
>
>   o i want to forward test internet futures: ipv6, auth methods, crypto,
>     ...
>
>   o i have my own stuff i want to test (which may need inbound sessions)
>
>   o network?  what network?
>
> in the nat64 case, are we trying to validate the well-known lists of
> what does not work over nat64, spotify, many vpns, ...?  if it is
> because we think we can modify nat64 to ameliorate the problems, this
> would be brilliant.
>
> if we know what the goals are, we should be able to meet them.  so far,
> the assumption is that
>
>   o the primary goal of the meeting netowrk is for attendees to get work
>     done
>
>   o nats breaking applications and inbound connections would be
>     considered as breakage
>
>   o we do want to support occasional experiments, both non-disruptive
>     and visible (remember the v6-only plenary?)
>
>   o but basically, i just want my mtv
>
> randy, not speaking for anyone else
>