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Re: Concerns about Singapore

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sun, 10 April 2016 01:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: Concerns about Singapore
To: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 13:07:20 +1200
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On 10/04/2016 10:35, John C Klensin wrote:
...
> I hope that, as the IAOC continues "actively seeking
> clarification", the distinction between the ability to express
> support without getting arrested and the ability to practice the
> nominally-criminal behavior without getting arrested (even
> occasionally) is well understood.
> 
> It may be just me, but the distinctions really seem a lot more
> clear than the length of this discussion thread would seem to
> imply.

The distinction is quite clear, but my point and the reason I broke
my silence on this thread is that even so, it's *still* a judgment
call, whether the issue is freedom of speech, freedom of behaviour,
personal risk, or even old-fashioned discrimination as in the example
I gave.

   Brian

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