Re: "We did not know" is not a good excuse
Stefan Winter <stefan.winter@restena.lu> Thu, 07 April 2016 17:35 UTC
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Subject: Re: "We did not know" is not a good excuse
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Hi, >> Dave, how would it complicate the negotiation process to >> simply say "we are considering the following cities for future >> IETFs: does anybody know of an issue that they want to raise >> with any of these?" We don't have to say when, or how >> definite. It's hard to see how this would cause >> problems--can you explain? > Exactly. Singapore may be a special case because it is a > "city=country" one but, other than Luxembourg, there are > relatively few others of those that are likely candidates for > discussion. Not that it adds particularly much to the discussion at hand, but would you please note that the country of Luxembourg has 2,586.4 km^2 / 998 sq mi surface, while the city of Luxembourg is just one out of multiple cities in the country. If you are looking for area surface matches between a country and its (only) city, you may rather want to look in the general direction of the country Monacco and its city Monte Carlo (different name, same thing - how's that for a special case!). (Now waiting for someone from Monacco to correct me about my ignorance of throwing both into one bowl) Greetings, Stefan Winter > I'm not suggesting supplying padding, but I assume > that there are multiple places that might be considered in any > of those regions (and even countries between them) and > identifying a list of them and asking the question Ted suggests > should not be an issue. > > I also can't imagine why doing that would get in the way of > negotiations, at least unless the process has turned into "let's > go to Timbuktu, now let's start negotiating with hotels there". > Independent of other issues with that city, I'd suggest that, if > the model comes down to that, we'd be in bad trouble for other > reasons, so I assume it hasn't. It would be better if cities > were eliminated before a call for proposals was issued but, even > if one were issued that included several cities, I don't see > huge problems if some candidate venues were eliminated because > we decided their cities or countries were off-limits: it would > really be no different from a solicitation and contracting > standpoint than eliminating one because our preliminary > investigations concluded that adequate connectivity was > impossible for that city. > >> ... > john > > >
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