Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 13 September 2019 20:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions
To: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 08:23:54 +1200
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On 14-Sep-19 04:06, Bob Hinden wrote:
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> Also, a related question, how do new IETF participants know to subscribe to the IETF list these days?   Do we have any way of knowing if current active IETF participants are subscribed?   Perhaps, when registering for a meeting, the registration tool could offer to subscribe to the ietf@ietf.org and last-call@ietf.org lists.

I notice that the information for newcomers on the web site doesn't mention the ietf@ and ietf-announce@ lists. It would be useful to add a pointer to https://www.ietf.org/how/lists/ at https://www.ietf.org/about/participate/get-started/resources/

Barry: Also note that https://www.ietf.org/how/lists/ and https://www.ietf.org/how/lists/discussion/ will need updating for the duration of the experiment.

    Brian