Re: location, location Rebooked venues

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Wed, 03 June 2020 01:45 UTC

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From: "John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com>
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Subject: Re: location, location Rebooked venues
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In article <CAKr6gn1Mu3xTEAnp0tGLRc=Kw+s0gOao4SbP3Hn5KzEM7w__PQ@mail.gmail.com> you write:
>My only concern is that the ESTA/CBP barriers to entry for IETF
>participants who have travel issues to the USA remain. We are in
>effect normalising US foreign policy discrimination against IETF
>participation F2F

No matter where we meet, people will have trouble getting there. When
we met in Montreal, some people had problems getting visas. Canada now
requires an online document called an eTA which is not accidentally
similar to the ESTA in the US.

Hypothetically we might try to meet in Mexico (ICANN has met in
Cancun) but the international connections to Mexico are much sparser
than to the US or Canada, and if people have to transit the US to get
there, now they have two visa problems instead of one.

Finally, we have no idea what the political climate will be like in
the US in 2023. Depending on the results of the 2020 and 2022
elections, getting visas might be more difficult or less difficult
than it is now and I would not want to hazard a guess which.

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