Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C387E120129 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 04:35:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wEb1V6SyjnX3 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 04:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk1-x72d.google.com (mail-qk1-x72d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB61B12012C for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 04:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x72d.google.com with SMTP id f13so15438763qkm.9 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 04:35:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date:message-id :references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=07IfNt7T4nXeDD+mw4/uTjJsKF4toGWKF7UFB1dUOPo=; b=k0IDaNm3qjBRe7HW9ohsiWQaEeiwyTcWAiYalELe0mCrt0XI+xnk8XJNHJQIK9bi0m pYdUh6w4lv1NvL6fg5HIWoQmyGQ8doomji6LpS8OvCW395xejuc3xp9RIVetwORFyVqq SdEb8P7gZ8oPlz+tn1FLigT/5A5q8lAkEyIQlAg3A4LDkqOtWUblbpJjtYOH98miYIVE Q0WDu+syjgQ43rKZF3qxYOBD/NYEHtVAJ1TyIMzRoOuDZ5qfXe8m2YTfpoxtP2rkw36a kKrxkXIE5J1arNeYOAbxLSuBRHOmWUBTYMyZHtJcuKRZ2b2KY4fjI3XKBm09D5yHORdp 1f5A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=07IfNt7T4nXeDD+mw4/uTjJsKF4toGWKF7UFB1dUOPo=; b=ASipO/E/gm75GgvS0s0MDElFwwMPg5pQl4SPJp+/8xaWo+3dJcFPXMNGTg7si+UZIr 1cAD0VZ3SBkkrjuUP6u5H8oEfvtSV/KvJap5vhpy/Veuy5jHxtBN9GBMhFfc89QnplW2 glUUp782ih92bKkiAeRdi0l2Rk8LhqGshSJDIXfdZ2oFG5vNPuWDjs4UFrNBZhaoC9Q6 PrLogRh61SfocSGR1Sa6KixpxIWXqOR/odvzHTdGVFa5Sgbz1bzJBloQRRxpyf2nrS5E OWn2id7dFjNaR+kqGR3Mixuf3OLk+ri2Q2sJKAdBGgu7wcehq4Qw1lotP0W9sDfwg1wE M9uw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXL2coTm+FnJA+kJMPzT8iZHJmmvlP3tW2yFThN4Y/uEi5JWRr7 2LaaqdrvuNaEzlI7/8d/P1z1bkRcWHeDQw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwwxehYq+I2QEx/fIyEjn2KFLQmSkpO8Bl+noJ/cIrR7uz7tKmK/YxgUr/d6ouujc1fIlynTQ== X-Received: by 2002:a37:ef17:: with SMTP id j23mr5569993qkk.426.1567510520957; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 04:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.100.56] (c-73-186-137-119.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [73.186.137.119]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d45sm5657310qtc.70.2019.09.03.04.35.20 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Sep 2019 04:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Ted Lemon Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: tone policing Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 07:35:19 -0400 Message-Id: References: Cc: ietf@ietf.org In-Reply-To: To: Keith Moore X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17A577) Archived-At: X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF-Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 11:35:24 -0000 That is essentially what PR actions are for. Repeatedly saying the same thi= ng is an example of abusive behavior. If you did it in a f2f conversation, p= eople would walk away. Here, they can=E2=80=99t. So we need PR actions.=20 Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2019, at 23:16, Keith Moore wrote: >=20 > No, I wouldn't agree to that statement. If there were rules limiting the= amount of discussion that were flagrantly and repeatedly broken, that would= be a different matter.