Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC related mass bounces / disabled subscriptions (fwd) Jo-Philipp Wich: [LEDE-DEV] DMARC related mass bounces / disabled subscriptions

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 19 December 2016 01:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC related mass bounces / disabled subscriptions (fwd) Jo-Philipp Wich: [LEDE-DEV] DMARC related mass bounces / disabled subscriptions
To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On 19/12/2016 11:08, John Levine wrote:
>> Send them a canned message stating that the only solution available
>> to them is changing to a different From address that does not have
>> this issue. What else can they do?
> 
> Conclude that the IETF has jumped the shark* and go do something else.

The question was what can a mailman list admin do. I don't see another answer,
except setting the 'anonymous list' mode ("Hide the sender of a message, replacing
it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields").

> As I keep asking, how much blood are we prepared to lose here?

Not that much.

   Brian