Re: [Manycouches] Meet Only line - I object

Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 03 February 2021 21:28 UTC

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From: Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 16:28:07 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Meet Only line - I object
To: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
Cc: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>, Erik Kline <ek.ietf@gmail.com>, "<manycouches@ietf.org>" <manycouches@ietf.org>, IETF Discussion <ietf@ietf.org>, Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>
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On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 2:40 PM Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:

> With current technology, virtual meetings are markedly inferior to
> physical meetings. I oppose any reduction from three such meetings a
> year, when they can be held, as such a change will make the IETF less
> effective.
>
>
I'd like to see more online and not have 3 in-person meetings a year.  The
lower costs may make it more accessible to some who cannot afford to
travel.  It is also more equitable if everyone is remote for at least some
of the meetings.  One time a year in person might be fine and I think we
can figure that out.  This may also help primary caretakers of children or
parents.  I know that has been a barrier expressed int he past from parents
of young children.

In terms of timelines, some countries have not started to vaccinate yet as
the richer countries have bought the initial supplies. With virus
mutations, I suspect the IETF won't be able to meet in July if
transmission of variants is possible.

Equitable considerations should be factored into the decision process.

Best regards,
Kathleen


> Thanks,
> Donald
> ===============================
>  Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
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>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 1:14 AM Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
> >
> > Fred, et.al.,
> >
> > inline please
> >
> > On 03/02/2021 02:36, Erik Kline wrote:
> > > +manycouches@ietf.org
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 10:31 AM Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Looking at
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-shmoo/ballot/, I noted that
> there is no mailing list for this. Had there been one, this note would have
> been posted to it. I apologize for the wide distribution.
> > >>
> > >> I can see setting up a policy for meetings that are cancelled by
> Force Majuere, but the fact that we have had such doesn’t call for stopping
> having meetings. The fact is that face-to-face meetings have value - people
> can get to know each other and set up a social basis for discussion, if
> nothing else. I can see scaling back - our European colleagues find the
> summer meeting timing awkward at best. But I don;’t see the temporary
> effect of having a global pandemic as justification for simply shutting
> down to mailing lists - which would be the likely effect of failing to meet.
> > >>
> > >> So yes, I think we would do well to meet for IETF 111 and on.
> >
> > I agree, but think this is IETF 112, in the best case.
> >
> > /Loa
> >
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPad
> > >
> >
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Best regards,
Kathleen