Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand
Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Fri, 17 August 2018 18:05 UTC
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Subject: Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand
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On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 09:19:04AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > All that I was asking that, maybe, we could be efficient about that. Maybe we could, but in practice we can't, for the very reasons people have stated. The message that was posted gave you all the information we actually have -- it's a site that is apparently operated by the Kingdom. Whether it will work for you is a decision you must make yourself. > The majority of the cases are those very clear cases. I am a dual US-Canadian citizen who has had trouble entering the United States on my US passport because the guy at the border didn't think Merrikans should live in another country. There are literally _no_ very clear cases when crossing international borders, and there never have been, and the best anyone can do is give you the information they have and urge you to make a decision according to your best analysis. I believe that IASA has done this. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
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- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Adrian Farrel
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Stig Venaas
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Paul Hoffman
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Carsten Bormann
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Stewart Bryant
- RE: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Adam Roach
- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand John C Klensin
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- Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Michael Richardson
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- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Randy Bush
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand Toerless Eckert
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Eliot Lear
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [103attendees] [EXTERNAL] Re: Visas for IETF … Toerless Eckert